Funny some people accuse Wilders of hypocrisy because he's called for banning the Koran, and he's come up with a movie that should be banned in their opinion. Really these people think we won't see where the hypocrisy is here? First of all, if the Koran was banned and preaching violence on its basis was illegal, then surely Wilders wouldn't have the need to even make this movie. It's not like the OIC has made an offer to the West where it offers to ban the Koran in return for the West banning Wilders movie. It's not that I agree with any kind of limits for freedom of speech, but at least that won't be hypocritical.
Then Western political class, which seems to have moved on to the next degree of abject dhimmitude, judging from progress they've made from the lack of defense of the Danish cartoons to the absolute preemptive groveling on behalf of Fitna, offers very little hope. Yes, we see odd speech from Tony Blair or Sarkozy where they promise to defend our values against the religious thugs. But on an occasion like this when we see Wilders alone and abandoned without even his countrymen to support him, I doubt we can take these promises at face value. Where the only international responses to the bullying of freedom of expression is attempts in the UN to impose legal limits to free speech... while the absolute lack of any attempt to guard the individual from the fury of the lynchmob that's driven by superstition and ignorance is ringing aloud in our ears like a death knell to all our freedoms.
We see us and our civilization called 'evil' and 'decadent' and they say what's unacceptable is we talking about their cowardly methods of using acts of violence and intimidation to silence us into submission! There's only one way left for us to fight this danger - and that's the Wilders way. You can't kill our children and expect us not to offend you, if you claim it's offensive for you to be called a murderer.
I think this crisis should serve as a reminder to us all that free speech exists only as long as, and only to the extend to which, we exercise it.
While most of the atheists are still busy criticizing and vilifying Christianity (very convenient, cuz you can't be called a racist and you won't risk getting butchered like Theo van Gogh), it's heartening to see someone acknowledging the real threat to secularism and freedom. That, too, in a fantastic and merciless fashion! Here's Pat Condell's response to the violent Islamic intimidation and dispicable European and UN groveling to religious fanatics surrounding the movie Fitna.
As an atheist myself, I frequently wonder why more atheists aren't speaking out about Islam even though it's becoming clearer each day where the biggest threat to freedom comes from. There's a lot them who are quick to brush it aside saying all religions (or all Semitic religions) are violent and totalitarian, and it's unnecessary to target Islam alone. This thinking is incredibly naive and can only be maintained by a deliberate refusal to measure religions using the same yardsticks. So the Catholic Church was violent and oppressive in the 14th century, does that mean we should try to exhibit understanding and compassion toward the tactics of intimidation and violence by Islamic fanatics? Even in the 21st Century? Even in a land like Holland where you would've thought that no one, not even the Queen and God himself, were above criticism? If Islam and the beliefs of Muslims are too fragile to withstand the right to free speech that Modern secular laws allow us in the West, then the West is not at fault. Nor is the beautiful concept of freedom of speech, which is the very oxygen of freedom. But it is Islam that is unfit for 21st Century, just like its primitive cousins racism and Nazism and communism, none of which could withstand free speech.
Well, if you have trouble following me, I'm sure you would find the man above much more coherent ;)
I'm sure anyone who follows the news would also equate Islam with violence. I know I certainly do because anytime anybody criticises Islam, they're usually threatened with violence. Islam without violence is like an egg free omelet.
I'm sure if you disagree with that, you would appreciate a Muslim's right to threaten to behead me just as much as you appreciate my freedom to make that statement!
Here's the full transcript via Infidel Bloggers(with thanks to HerRoyalWhyness):
Hi, everyone. Well, now that the FITNA furor has died down somewhat, it's interesting to see how many people are condemning the film and how few people are condemning the thuggish intimidation that forced LIVELEAK to remove it.
What happened to all those people who keep telling us, "I don't agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it"? Where have they all gone? Maybe they're on vacation.
No shortage of politicians, however, lining up to accuse the film of falsely equating Islam with violence, which is a bit like falsely equating Walt Disney with Mickey Mouse.
I'm sure anyone who follows the news would also equate Islam with violence. I know I certainly do because anytime anybody criticizes Islam, they're usually threatened with violence. Islam without violence is like an egg-free omelet.
The religion is predicated on violence and the threat of violence. It's a 'religion of peace' in the same way that North Korea is a 'People's Democratic Republic'. But we're not allowed to say that, because if we do, we'll be threatened with violence.
When the film was actually removed - under threat of violence - some Muslims had the nerve to congratulate LIVELEAK for promoting tolerance on the Internet. I'll tell you, whenever I think about this stuff now, I feel like I'm in a hall of mirrors... don't you?
To be fair, Dutch Muslims do deserve some praise because they could've reacted violently and probably gotten away with it. We all know that. So all credit to them for not exploiting the situation.
But the very fact that we are grateful to them, pretty much proves the point of the film. Because, let's be clear about this, it was the threat of Muslim violence that caused the Dutch government to grovel in such abject dhimmitude and to run around apologizing like headless chickens before and after the event.
A spectacle which I'm sure many Muslims enjoyed - and why shouldn't they enjoy it? After all, it sends out a clear message to the entire Muslim world that in Europe, we won't stand up for what we believe in, or what we say we believe in. And that we will be intimidated into silence. All you've got to do is shake your fist and we'll do exactly as we're told.
So, Islam in Europe now enjoys the best of all possible worlds. It's a religion when it wants to be. It's a culture when it wants to be. And it's a race when it wants to be. It gets full rights on all three counts - demanding and getting respect wherever it goes while giving absolutely none. Hence, we were treated recently to the spectacle of the Swiss Foreign Minister degrading herself and her country by putting on a headscarf before she was allowed to meet the homicidal leadership of Iran, in a cheap betrayal of all the brave women who have been murdered by these violent criminals in the name of Islam.
The Iranian government were among the first to criticize the film too. Taking time out from executing children, again - in the name of Islam, to denounce it roundly. But I'm sure most people realize that this fake outrage is in no way genuine. It's all part of a cynical campaign of intimidation by the Islamic world to force unwanted Islamic values into Western society. And that's why, in every free country, there are now aggressive Islamist pressure groups. Usually funded by the Saudis, who claim to speak for all Muslims, but who actually speak only for a small band of fanatical bigots like themselves - and who are very quick to insult our culture and our values as degenerate and immoral while being themselves ultra-sensitive to any perceived criticism - portraying themselves as victims, as the oppressed rather than as the oppressors they are. Knowing that if you repeat the lie often enough people will start to believe it. Mr. Goebbels taught us that little nugget of wisdom and the would-be authors of the next Holocaust have learned their lesson well.
Now luckily for me I don't get insulted easily on a personal level, not even if being called a racist Kafir as some idiot called me recently. When somebody attacks my culture, well, that's a little different because that's an assault on my values . It diminishes my sense of self worth. I believe it violates my human rights and I think it should be prosecuted as a hate crime. It's irrational, it's paranoid and really I think there is only one word to describe it - and that is "Civilization-phobia".
This is a word I like to use as kind of like umbrella word for a host of different phobias that manifest themselves in Islam. Including Eleutherophobia - fear of freedom; Epistemophobia - fear of knowledge; Prosophobia - fear of progress; Peccatophobia - fear of sinning or imaginary crimes; Catagelophobia - fear of being ridiculed; Cenophobia -fear of new things and ideas; Cherophobia - fear of gaiety, big fear of gaiety. And the biggest fear of all, of course, gynophobia - fear of women. Islam is terrified of women and thats why, all over the Internet, you'll find clips from Arab television where along with all the rampant Jew-hating and other propaganda aimed at turning children into murderers, you'll find clerics calmly explaining under what circumstances a man may beat his wife in the religion-of-peace. That's right, a man may beat his wife. And they wonder why we don't want this stuff in Europe. If you lay a violent hand on a woman, you're not a man - you're an animal, and I don't care how many so-called scholars tell you that cowardly brutality is the will of god. Chances are, you've never been on the receiving end of the kind of punishment you like to dish out so freely.
So I hope the Hindus have it right, because if there is any justice you will be reincarnated as a female homosexual Jew, and then you'll find out what a pain it is having to deal with violent primitive dickheads like you.
You know, when I was growing up I never thought I would be ashamed to live in the 21st century. I thought it was going to be a new golden age. The space age. An age of knowledge and discovery and we'd have shaken off the shackles of superstition by now. Surely we have the technology to reach for the stars. Maybe we can even create paradise right here on earth.
I remember looking forward to it. Well, here we are and what have we got? We've got Islam, a violent, 7th century desert dogma that wants to take over the world, remove our freedom, subjugate women, brainwash children, persecute Jews and homosexuals and drag us all back a thousand years. And all we can do is make excuses for it for fear of causing offense.
We really are pathetic, aren't we?
You know, I think people living 500 years from now will look back on this period of history and they'll laugh at us.
"The Vatican Representative said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population - a stable percentage - while Muslims were at 19.2 percent."
Hopefully this will open the eyes of Leftie moonbats who waste so much time and energy trying to criticize the post-Enlightenment Christianity while ignoring the excesses of the world's biggest and strongest organized religion.
"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.
Well, even though peace in the Middle East doesn't look probable, we seem to be well set on the al-Qaeda Roadmap to Caliphate!
Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.
Well, the number could be a little dubious considering the "there's no gay in my country" politics in Islamic countries, but nonetheless the Cartoon Crisis and Fitna have proved what is the world's no. 1 organized religion. I think one might have better luck criticizing Christianity in the 15th century than criticizing Islam today in 21st century!
13 centuries ago, War was declared on humanity. This warrior creed with a small spiritual component, rooted in supremacism and unrelenting superstition, is knocking on the doors of all the civilized communities in the world today, threatening to subjugate and enslave them. But the civilized world, wallowing in the fool's paradise of "post-Enlightenment wisdom" thinking that such evil is not capable of existing, refusing to acknowledge or understand the nature of the enemy, goes on pushing impossibly higher moral standards for themselves while ignoring the threat to their existence and the future of their children knocking on their doors. Fitna Part 1 (until youtube takes this off to appease fanatics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEQLZzxVHQ4&feature=related Fitna Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoEcKZRC5AU (LiveLeak (original host) link at the bottom of post) But there are indeed some brave men who will stand up for life and liberty of their fellow beings, even if it's by risking everything they have. Some realize that they have to speak out against the evil even if that makes every minute of their life more and more dangerous, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who knows that her life might end in a brutal murder like those of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. And now we have the Dutch MP Geert Wilders who has delivered on his promise of a film to expose Koran for the violence it exhorts, while doing that also exposing the fear and the level of self-censorship in the Dutch society, once one of the most liberal societies in the world. When war is declared upon you by this entity, standing quiet and trying to be the Dalai Lama won't save you. Trying to appease the enemy might buy you time, but it will be too late when you realize the price you had to pay for it was the 9/11s , 3/11s and the freedom to speak your mind. So those like Geert Wilders lay their life on the line, because they love our freedoms way too much to see us losing them, to convince us that this declaration of war is not a joke, not for the people who love their life and liberty. Here's the link to the original host, of the movie the media dubbed the anti-Koran movie and the detractors joked was an April Fool's joke. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103 If you use a bittorrent client, http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4102583/Fitna_the_Movie_by_Geert_Wilders_-_English alternative youtube links Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5U6vSvITaM&eurl=http://www.religionnewsblog.com/20982/fitna-movie-4 Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js-xzmjysd8&eurl=http://www.religionnewsblog.com/20982/fitna-movie-4
Aarons.CC was down for so long this time after being hacked by the Saudi Mo-hacker, that I felt I have to put this up on my blog, even though i've tried not to put offensive stuff up here. Here you go, Aaron, and thanks for acknowledging that we don't have the luxury of being overcome by fear.
The place that was once called the Paradise on earth, is now a paradise for militants and Pakistani-sponsored Islamic Mujahideen fighters. What's most pathetic is the fact that we've gotten so used to innocent civilians getting massacred in Kashmir that it doesn't even shock us anymore. So I don't think even this will, in any way, make the Indian government understand that it has to change its policy of appeasement of Pakistan and need to do more to protect its citizens in Kashmir.
Chronology of major Mujahideen massacres in Kashmir from DNAIndia
2006: May 1: Militants gun down 22 Hindus in remote villages of Panjdobi and Thava in Doda district of Jammu and Kashmir.
2004: April 5: Seven persons killed in Pahalgam area of Anantnag district.
2003: Mar 4: 24 Kashmiri pundits killed by militants in Nadimarg village near Shopian in Pulwama district.
2002: Nov 24: 14 persons killed and 53 injured when militants attacked the historic Raghunath temple in Jammu. Aug 29: Ten Hindus killed in Rajouri and Doda districts of Jammu and Kashmir. Aug 6: Nine Amarnath pilgrims killed and 32 wounded when militants attacked a base camp at Nunwan near Pahalgam. July 13: 28 Hindus gunned down in Qasim Nagar area of Jammu and Kashmir. May 14: 33 persons, including women and children, were killed when militants opened indiscriminate fire on a bus and stormed an army camp on the Jammu-Pathankote highway. Feb 17: Eight Hindus gunned down in Rajouri district. Jan 7: 17 Hindus killed in Ramsoo area of Jammu district.
2001: Aug 4: 15 Hindus gunned down in Shrotidar village in Doda district of Jammu and Kashmir. July 22: 15 Hindus killed in Cheergi and Tagood villages in Doda district of Jammu. July 21: 13 people, including seven Amarnath pilgrims, killed at Sheshnag in Anantnag. Mar 17: Eight people massacred near Atholi in Doda district. Feb 11: 15 members of nomad (Gujjar) families massacred in Kot-Chadwal in Rajouri district. Feb 3: Six Sikhs gunned down in Mahjoornagar in Srinagar
2000: Aug 2: 11 Hindus killed in Doda district of Jammu. Aug 2: Seven members of a family killed in Kupwara district of north Kashmir. Aug 1: 27 labourers gunned down in Qazigund and Achabal i Anantnag district. Aug 1: 31 people, including Amarnath yatris, killed in Pahalgam in Anantnag. Mar 20: 35 Sikhs killed in Chattisinghpura village near Jammu. Feb 28: Five Hindu drivers killed near Qazigund in Anantnag district.
The ministry of external affairs has taken the easy way out and asked Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to put off his six-day trip which was due from April 1, for fear of protests of the kind witnessed earlier over cartoons of the Prophet in a Danish newspaper.
Bravo, Manmohan. Now a minority of religious fanatics gets the first say on matters of India's national interest!
How can we be surprised when this community produces suicide bombers and people who learn to fly airplanes just so they could kill as many people as possible with that knowledge, when we know that we're turning a blind eye to this vile indoctrination of hatred even in young school children?
NY Times reports on how rising anti-Semitism in French schools is making it impossible to guarantee the safety of Jewish children.
Schools are the battleground over anti-Semitism, and teachers complain that the government has done little, despite many proposals. "The minister of education has done nothing," said Jean-Pierre Obin, an inspector general of education in France, who wrote a report in 2004 that called anti-Semitism "ubiquitous" in the 61 schools surveyed. "He prefers not to talk about it." Mr. Obin wrote in the report of "a stupefying and cruel reality: in France, Jewish children — and they are alone in this case — can no longer be educated in just any school." Ianis Roder, 34, a history teacher in a middle school northeast of Paris, said he was stunned by what he witnessed after Sept. 11, 2001. The next day, someone spray-painted in a stairwell of the school the image of an airplane crashing into the World Trade Center beside the words "Death to the U.S., Death to Jews." When he told his class months later that Hitler had killed millions of million Jews, one boy blurted out, "He would have made a good Muslim!"
